My 1st posting as a new member...here goes !
I have a 1990 1.6Tdi Type 25 Westfalia.
I have looked thro' previous postings but cannot find this issue.
What is the weight limit for the upper bunk ?
Nick in the UK
I'm assuming the UK Type 25 has the same basic fold out double upper bunk of the US market Westy. That manual doesn't specify a wieght limit but I'll pass on personal experience. It appears to handle two full-size adults -- say 175 kg easy enough, but at those loads, you can see some flex on the forward-most section. I'll suggest you consider that a 'quiet' limit, i.e. slide in carefully without extra-curricular activity.
I can vouchsafe for a combined weight of 340 pounds up there, and extra-curricular activities are not only permitted, we've found the westy opens up all kinds of options. ( but I think I shouldn't go into details, this being a family site and all...)
I can tell you that since I'm quite tall, I made a upper berth extender. Here's how:
I took a length of that closet shelf material you can buy at Home Depot, the kind that is mostly thin metal wires and coated white. The profile is an "L" about 12" x 2". I cut and fitted about a four foot length so that the short edge is up and towards the front of the bus, and it friction fits between the end of the upper berth when folded out, and the support struts for the camper top when it is up. Then ends are sized so the rest on the same ledger that the bed does. We bought some foam the same thickness as the mattress and made a "pillow case" out of matching leftover sheet fabric ( we made fitted sheets for the bed which stay on all the time). It lengthens the bed by a foot, supports the big fluffy pillows we absolutely must have. Now the down side, ( no pun intended ) is that it has to be lifted up and taken out of the way if my wife has to get up in the middle of the night. I store the extender and its special foam pillow in the "secret" space at the foot of the bed under the camper top.
BTW, we also inserted a 3/16" thick very dense foam pad inside the mattress covers, under the original foam pad. This sure helps when my hip bones or whatever bottom out. Yours in sleepy comfort,
I'll concur with Capt. Mike. We've had a combined weight of nearly 400 lbs on the top bunk (180 kg?) with some extra curicular activities and no problems. I do find the lower bunk to be more comfortable though.
Great idea about the 3/16" high density foam Richard, I'll have to pick some up.
Thanks for your very helpful replies.
My Westy is a left Hand Drive German version and is probably has the same folding upper bunk layout as the US version.
As expectations are now raised, I feel duty bound to provide future feedback, on whether my wife and I met with problems, with extra curricular activities, when residing in the upper bunk !
Transferred from other posts to consolidate topics.
Foam pad cleaning
ywg396 Junior Member # 870 posted 06-22-2001 02:28 AM
Any suggestions on cleaning/sanitizing foam mattress pads? 81 westy
rupract Member # 779 posted 06-22-2001 06:49 PM
Do mean cleaning the foam itself? Or do you mean cleaning the covering material?
In my '86 Westy, the covers can be removed from the foam for the upper bunk pads and the pad that sits over the engine cover. I unzipped them and put them in the washing machine, gentle cycle, cold water, mild detergent. Then I hung them up to dry.
On a related note, is there an easy way to remove the material on the rear seat in an '86 Westy GL to wash them. Or is using a steam cleaner the only way to get it clean?
ywg396 Junior Member # 870 posted 06-23-2001 01:55 AM
I would like to clean/sanitize the foam itself...
Steve from Georgia Junior Member # 1279 posted 06-24-2001 11:40 AM
I cleaned all of the foam in my 82 by removing all cloth(wash on gentle cycle) and putting the foam in the bath tub. In went water and mild dish soap(not dishwasher soap). Then I got naked and walked all over it. Tons of black water came out! Keep changing the soap and water until clear. Use the shower to rinse while you walk on it. Squeeze dry and leave out to dry (takes a few days) but not in the sun.
JeffS Junior Member # 1805 posted 08-01-2001 02:21 PM
I have a '77 Westy, owned a '76 before this one. I've cleaned the covers on the fold out bed on both. You have to remove the cushions and wooden base from the frame, then remove the staples holding the fabric on. Toss in the washer on gentle cycle and let air dry. The foam can be replaced, available at most fabric stores, however, you must use the high density (and higher cost) foam or you will be sorry! I've also washed several sets of Westy curtains, too. I've never had any fall apart in the washer.
[This message was edited by Capt. Mike on July 24, 2003 at 08:53 PM.]
I am looking for anyone's ideas about camping with a 2 month old. My father reports there used to be a "kids bed" that you could put in the front of westies, but I think he was talking of the model that has the rear facing pop up? Is there an aftermarket baby bed?
I don't have any knowledge of a "kids bed", but this is what we do with our 1.5 year old girl. The first trip we had her sleep in the area over the engine with the rear seat up and us sleeping on the top bunk. We didn't find the top bunk to be as comfortable as we would like, and my wife worried our little girl would climb over the seat and fall.
Now we take the fold-up playpen along. It fits in the main area behind the front seat and the bed with just enough room to climb in and out. I can also put it up on the bed until we're ready to sleep, so we can still have access to the sink and fridge. On our last trip to the Okanagon area it was warm enough that she could sleep outside in the playpen until we went to sleep and I'd just pick up the playpen and slide it in through the sliding door.
Message forum guideline #7. Go to your dealer and look at the parts fiches for the older campers and find out what's still available!
VW Type II's DID have a child's cot for <65 lbs. that mounted to a set of clips on the windshield pillars and the door posts behind the passenger doors. Use did require removal of the headrests while set up.
I see that gowesty.com sells a "child cot/hammock" kit that appears to work just like the one that my '84 westy wolfsburg came with (which is what Capt. Mike described).
It is under Camper Parts-> Camper Equipment-> Camper Furnishings -> Child cot/hammock.
The 'cot' that was standard equipement over the seats in the earlier models of Westy (Type II era) was specifically for children <65 lb.
A 100 lb. child's activity, even in sleep, will put well in excess of that weight on any mounting. Rolling over, getting in & out, etc. Anything that wraps around the door and is then closed on can warp the door hinges -- a serious problem to repair as they are not easily adjusted -- and will most likely mess up the weatherstriping & seal.
What is your aversion to popping the top & using the upper bunk? We've been doing it in rest stops for that 'nap' for over 18 years and never once been questioned or had a problem. However, we do limit ourselves to just a few hours; not overnight camping.
jim k Junior Member # 3523 posted 03-18-2002 01:17 PM
Have a 2002 Eurovan Westy Weekender when lower bed is opened, surface is not level. @ dealers looked at bed and said - thats the way it is ant ideas on how to level? This is my 4th Westy, never had a problem but this is a pain. Front section is lower by a couple of inches, this is where we put our heads when sleeping. Can't seem to find any adjustments - any ideas appreciated.
We have 2 boys - 6 & 8 and they sleep up top. This works best because they go to bed earlier and it gives us the freedom to come and go from the Westy as we like.
The only problem is what we call "Van Diving". Our boys occasionally get disoriented and fall out. Does anyone have any suggestions for rigging up a fold down bed protector? We had that slides under a childs bed, but it was too bulky under the foam pad. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Often the 'bed rail' needed is not so much an absolute barrier as it is something that gives the sleeper something to bump into that will cause them to fidget in another (safer) direction. Instead of thinking of 'fold down' and permanent, consider something that will allow you to put up that barrier at night only.
You can put some sort of socket arrangement on the front edge and use a 'fence' that slides into the sockets, storing the fence between or behind the mattress when the bed is folded up. Best example I can give is a miniture version of the panels of a stake-bed truck or trailer. Any decent machine or welding shop can make you a couple of sockets that screw to the bottom or lead edge of the mattress frame and the fence is nothing more than a couple of verticle pieces that fit into the sockets and have some horizontal slats, or even a cargo net style retainer.
For that matter, if (And I'm NOT recommending it) you are willing to drill holes in the fiberglass pop-top, you can attach mounting points to use one of the trunk 'cargo nets'. They require only 4 places to attach their corner hooks. I suppose epoxying a couple of attachment points to the inner roof would work as well, though both will leave permanent evidence to the roof. Using the 'stake' idea, You could even make two corner 'fence-posts' to attach the net to.
Mostly a matter of thinking "outside the box." Too many people are afraid of custom and presume if it can't be found at the hardware store it's impossibley expensive. Something like the sockets need be nothing more elaborate than a couple of pieces of pipe or square stock with an angle bracket welded to it. With little A/C MIG welders now common in home shops, anyone could knock one together for $5 worth of materials from Home Depot. Check your buddies' garages!
Shona, We had the same problem with our 3 year old and our '89. We went to a thrift store and found an item that is designed to fit between the box spring and a mattress of a regular bed. It has two fold out legs.It is used to keep someone from rolling out of a bed. Ours is 48"x12" with a net material filling the void.The two fold out legs perfectly fit on either side of the upper bed. We attached a Nylon strap on each leg and they fit between the bed and the van frame when the bed is folded down.The unit is about 16 inches tall when set up. When not in use it fits behind the upper bed. Just ask around a bed store or a baby/kid's furnishings dept or store and they should be able to direct you as to where you can get one. If you have a thrift store around check there. My wife says she still sees them from time to time. If you have no idea what I am talking about I will E-mail you a picture.
I`v just got a 1976 Westfalia in grate shape. I can barely sleep in my house, couse I prefer to sleep in it.
I want to know where to store the two iron pieces from the child cot al the front.
Miguel Angel email@example.com
Concerning the childs cot over the front seats: Are there different lengths of frame for early and late campers? I picked up a cot at a swap meet and when I got home found out it didn't fit. An inch short and canvas width was also narrower than should be.